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the ideas, myths and rituals christianity borrowed from the pagans Jesus saves -- Pagan Gods saved first gods whose dad was a god and whose mom was a mortal woman Christianity has baptism -- Paganism had it first Christians share a sacred meal with their God -- Pagans did it first Christians believe in eternal life -- but Paganism believed in it first
Jesus did miracles -- Pagan Gods did them first Jesus fulfilled prophecy -- Pagan Gods fulfilled prophecy first God and the immortal soul -- Paganism had 'em first Christianity thinks it has monotheism -- Paganism had it first Jesus' God lives in Heaven on High -- Pagan Gods lived there first pagan dead went to the underworld Jesus made clever quips -- Pagan cynic philosophers made them first
God and the immortal soul -- Paganism had 'em first

Pagan God
To the Kouretes [Gods]. . . glorious saviors of the world…. Immortal gods, you nurture… as gentle saviors who bring fair breezes and clear weather.
[ Orphic Hymns, 38]

Was Christianity new?  Was Christianity unique?  Let's talk about the ideas of God and the immortal human soul.


God
The idea of God -- of one or many supernatural beings who look like us and think like us, and care about us, and interact with us, and reward and punish us -- is universal and way older than Christianity or Judaism. You know this.

Moses' family prayed to Gods for generations before Judaism was a twinkle in Moses eye.

Here's how Plato (yes, that Plato) described the pagan Gods in the fourth century BC:
When people sinned, they prayed to the gods for forgiveness.
When people died the Gods redeemed them from the pains of hell.
 

[Quoting Hesiod] "The gods, too, may be turned from their purpose; and men pray to them and avert their wrath by sacrifices and soothing entreaties, and by libations and the odor of fat, when they have sinned and transgressed." And they produce a host of books written by Mousaios and Orpheus, … according to which they perform their ritual, and persuade not only individuals, but whole cities, that expiations and atonements for sin may be made by sacrifices and amusements which fill a vacant hour, and are equally at the service of the living and the dead; the latter sort they call mysteries, and they redeem us from the pains of hell, but if we neglect them no one knows what awaits us. [ Plato, The Republic, Book 2.7, (4th century BC)]

Don't believe me, believe the ancients themselves.

Sound familiar? Sure it does. Our God is like the Pagan Gods, and the Pagan Gods got there first.

Here's how the editor of Britannica's Great Books puts it > >

 

 

 

"There are ...fundamental agreements between paganism and Judeo-Christian regarding the nature of the divine....The deities are conceived personally, not in terms of impersonal, brute forces. Conceived as beings with intelligence and will, the Gods concern themselves with earthly society; the aid or oppose man's plans and efforts; they reward men for fidelity and virtue and punish them for impiety and sin." [The Great Ideas, 1952, Ch. 29]

POCM quotes modern scholars

Yeah, but the Iliad is fiction. The Pagan's Gods are silly myths.

To you. Not to the ancients. To the ancients the Gods were a daily presence, a force controlling their lives.

A few examples, not from archaic poets but from everyday ancient authors -- historians, playwrights, novelists > >

All the more amazed at this outburst the young man asked what it was all about; and then, after imploring the gods and goddesses for mercy and forgiveness if under compulsion of her love for him she uttered what should be kept secret…[Livy, History of Rome, 39.10 (1st century AD)]

Don't believe me, believe the ancients themselves.

Metaneira had a child late in life -- a gift of the Gods.

Metaneira to the goddess Demeter] Nurse this child for me, whom the immortals have given me, late-born and unexpected, but much prayed for ... [Homeric Hymn to Demeter, (7th century BC)]

Don't believe me, believe the ancients themselves.

All good things -- gifts of the Gods.

Then Demeter of the fair crown said to her, "May you also be of good cheer, woman, and may the gods grant you all good things; [Homeric Hymn to Demeter, (7th century BC)]

Don't believe me, believe the ancients themselves.

For a son born late in life, prayer and rejoicing.

[Kallidike, speaking to Demeter] A favorite son, born to her late, is being nursed in the strongly built palace; she prayed much for him, and rejoiced in him. [Homeric Hymn to Demeter, 165 (7th c BC)]

Don't believe me, believe the ancients themselves.

The Gods help those who pray.

... the fame has traveled wide of how the gods appear to mankind and bring unexpected aid to their initiates of theirs who call upon them in the midst of perils. [Diodorus Siculus, Library of History, 5.49.5 (1st century AD)]

Don't believe me, believe the ancients themselves.

Miracles justify faith.

If you had been there and seen these wonders for yourself, you would have gone down on your knees and prayed to the god you now deny. [Euripides, The Bacchae, 703 - 707 (5th century BC)]

Don't believe me, believe the ancients themselves.

Christianity has the idea of God, but Paganism had the idea first.  
 

The next time you're in Church
ask yourself:"What about what I'm hearing was new and unique with Christianity, and what was already part of other religions in a culture where over and over again new religions were built with old parts?"

Next time you're in church... When they get to the part about a personal God interested in the affairs of individual men and women, a God who rewards and punishes us according to the lives we lead here on earth, remember the Greek and Roman Gods. You'll know you're hearing about stuff that predated Christianity by hundreds of years -- in a culture where over and over people built new religions out of old parts.

Wow!

 

 

 

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