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| Jesus fulfilled prophecy -- Pagan Gods fulfilled prophecy first |
Was
Christianity new? Was Christianity unique?
Pagan prophets predicted the future -- correctly. You know this if you've heard of the famous oracle at Delphi. You probably also know that our word "auspicious" comes from "auspices", the Roman religious ritual where priests told the future by reading the livers of sacrificed animals. (Sheesh. Have you noticed how often other peoples' beliefs are crazy stupid?) |
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What was going to happen next was nothing more that what the Pagan Gods planned to do next, so of course the Pagan Gods and their prophets knew the future. One
good thing about Pagan Gods was they didn't mind
letting on what they knew about the future. So,
like Pagan miracles
generally, Pagan prophecy-miracles number in the tens of thousands.
You run out of patience before you run out of prophecy miracles.
So here at POCM, I've included enough to give you a sense of how central
prophecy was to Paganism. Need more? Just pick up Herodotus, Livy, Josephus,
or any other ancient historian. They're chock-a-block with prophecy-miracles.
Guaranteed.
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So strong was the Pagans' faith, they institutionalized prophecy-miracles with professional prophesy-readers -- guys with training and text-books, guys you'd consult like you consult a doctor. Ask a question, the prophecy-guy would find it on his list, apply his divine-seer skills, and foretell your future for you. Very comforting. How do we know this? We have the prophecy books they used. > > Professor
Lee describes:
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Questions
to an oracle: |
| Christian prophets foretold the future. Pagan prophecy readers foretold the future first. |
Sibyls = prophetesseseszz One good thing about Pagan Gods was they didn't mind letting on what they knew about the future. You could get a forecast by consulting a Sibyl. (Why "Sibyls"? Because it was easier than "prophetesseseszz." The ancients didn't have spill chuckers.) Here's the second century Christian writer Justin Martyr describing a Pagan Sybil at work >> A Sybil was a woman, a prophetess who spoke God's words for Him. There were lots of Sibyls in lots of places. A God would move the Sibyl to speak, someone would quick write down what she said and later on folks would consult her words (in Rome they kept them in them the "Sybilline Books" -- you'll someday run across that term in the ancient texts) for help foretelling the future. |
[T]he ancient Sibyl, who by some kind of potent inspiration teaches you, through her oracular predictions, truths which seem to be much akin to the teaching of the prophets. She ... uttered her oracular sayings in a city called Cumae ... And they who had heard it from their fathers as part of their country's tradition, told us that it was here she used to publish her oracles. ... [T]hey said that she washed, and having put on her robe again, retires into the inmost chamber of the basilica, which is still a part of the one stone; and sitting in the middle of the chamber on a high rostrum and throne, thus proclaims her oracles. |
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| Many writers, including Plato said Justin Martyr, agreed that such prophecies were divinely inspired >>
...and that their prophecies were fulfilled >>
...because the prophetesseseszz
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And
both by many other writers has the Sibyl been mentioned as a prophetess,
and also by Plato in his Phaedrus. And Plato
seems to me to have counted prophets divinely inspired
when He read her prophecies. For He saw that what
she had long ago predicted was accomplished; and on this account
He expresses in the Dialogue with Meno his wonder at and admiration of
prophets in the following terms: "Those whom we now call
prophetic persons we should rightly name divine. And not least
would we say that they are divine, and are raised to the prophetic ecstasy
by the inspiration and possession of
God, when they correctly speak of many and important matters,
and yet know nothing of what they are saying,"--plainly and manifestly
referring to the prophecies of the Sibyl. |
| Christian prophets foretold the future. Pagan prophecy readers and Sybils foretold the future first. |
You'd figure the place a Sibyl worked would be a Sibylarium, but it wasn't. It was an oracle. The predictions she gave were also oracles. Sometimes the Sybil was called an oracle. It was fun to say "oracle," so they used it whenever they could. Try it yourself: Oracle, oracle, oracle. See? Pagans
had lots of oracles, |
Celsus
goes on to say of us: "They [Christians] set no value on the oracles
of the Pythian priestess, of
the priests of Dodona, of Clarus,
of Branchidae, of Jupiter
Ammon, and of a multitude of
others; although under their guidance we may say that colonies
were sent forth, and the whole world peopled. |
| Christian prophets foretold the future. Pagan prophecy readers and Sybils and the Pythian priestess and the priests of Dodona and Clarus and Branchidae and Jupiter Amon and a multitude of others foretold the future first. |
| Some guys who foretold the future |
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Pythagoras had the power of God in him. How do we know this? His prophecies always came true, that's how. >> |
The
Pythagoreans are said to have predicted many things, and Pythagoras'
predictions always came true. |
'Cause I'm sure you're dying to know, here's the Pythagorean's theology about how prophecy worked >> |
The
Pythagoreans also assert that
the whole air is full of souls,
and that these are those that are accounted daimons or heroes. They are
the ones that send down among men dreams, and tokens of disease and health;
the latter not being reserved to human beings, but being sent also to
sheep and cattle as well. They are concerned
with purifications, expiations, and all kinds of divinations, oracular
predictions, and the like. |
| Christian prophets foretold the future. Pagan prophecy readers and Sibyls and the Pythian priestess and the priests of Dodona and Clarus and Branchidae and Jupiter Amon and a multitude of others and Pythagoras and his disciples foretold the future first. |
Apollonius
had the power of prophecy >> |
For
the circumstance that Apollonius foresaw
and foreknew so many things does not in the least justify us in
imputing to him this kind of wisdom [black magic]; we might as well accuse
Socrates of the same, because,
thanks to his familiar spirit, he knew things beforehand,
and we might also accuse Anaxagoras
because of the many things he foretold. |
Christian prophets foretold the future. Pagan prophecy readers and Sybils and the Pythian priestess and the priests of Dodona and Clarus and Branchidae and Jupiter Amon and a multitude of others and Pythagoras and his disciples and the godman Apollonius of Tyana and Socrates and Anaxagoras foretold the future first. Are you seeing the pattern here? |
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They
saw that what both the fearful and the hopeful
needed and wanted the most was knowledge of the
future, that this was the reason Delphi
and Delos and Carus
and Didyma had ages ago become
rich and famous; men ... were forever coming to these shrines
and asking to know the future, and, in payment, the sacrificed
whole hecatombs and donated ingots of gold. After turning this discovery
over in their minds and pondering it, the
partners laid plans to set up an oracle, a seat of prophecy. |
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Amphilochus, you see, after his father Amphiaraus' death and disappearance in Thebes, had been banished from his home town; he make his way to Cilicia and there came out of it all very nicely by going into oracle making himself, and foretelling the future for the Cilicians at a charge of 75 cents per prediction. [Lucian, Alexander the False Prophet, 8 (2d Century AD), -- which you can find in: Casson, Lionel. Selected Satires of Lucian (1962), pg. 278] |
"Amphiaraus
had been a seer during his lifetime. After a mysterious death (Zeus clove
the ground in front of his chariot and he was swallowed up), he continued
prophesying from a famous shrine
in central Greece. The son's oracle was located in the town of Mallus."]
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Pretty
soon Alexander was even sending
agents into neighboring lands to spread the word about his oracle among
various people. These men advertised that he offered general prophecy,
recovery of runaway slaves, detection of thieves and bandits, discovery
of buried treasure, healing
of the sick, and, on occasion, raising
of the dead. The result was a stampede from all sides plus sacrifices
and offerings. |
Christian prophets foretold the future. Pagan prophecy readers and Sybils and the Pythian priestess and the priests of Dodona and Clarus and Branchidae and Jupiter Amon and a multitude of others and Pythagoras and his disciples and the godman Apollonius of Tyana and Socrates and Anaxagoras and the priests at Delos and Dymma, and Amphilochus and Amphiarus and Glycon's prophet Alexander foretold the future first. |
Christian prophets foretold the future. Pagan prophecy readers and Sybils and the Pythian priestess and the priests of Dodona and Clarus and Branchidae and Jupiter Amon and a multitude of others and Pythagoras and his disciples and the godman Apollonius of Tyana and Socrates and Anaxagoras and the priests at Delos and Dymma, and Amphilochus and Amphiarus and Glycon's prophet Alexander and the nation of the Greeks, and the nation of the Telmessians, and the nation of the Carians and the nation fo the Phyrgians, and the nation of the Isaurians and the nation of the Cyprians foretold the future first. Are you seeing the pattern here? Prophecies made and prophecies fulfilled were basic to Paganism. I promised we'd run out of patience before we ran out of prophecies. And so we have. |
Augery
Liver-reading Pagan priests learned how to read livers by consulting model livers like this one >> |
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| Jews
too
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"the signs that were so evident, and did so plainly foretell their [the Jews] future desolation."[Josephus, Jewish War, ,6.5.288] He goes on: "Thus there was a star resembling a sword, which stood over the city, and a comet, that continued a whole year." [6.5.289] And in the Temple, "at the ninth hour of the night of the night a great light shone round the altar....This light seemed to be a good sign to the naive, but was so interpreted by the sacred scribes as to portend the events that followed." [6.5.291- 293] And, "also, a heifer, as she was led by the high priest to be sacrificed, brought forth a lamb in the midst of the temple." [6.5.292] "Moreover, the eastern gate of the inner temple. ..was seen to be opened of its own accord. This also the vulgar thought a happy prodigy...but the men of learning understood it."[6.5.293 - 295] And, "...chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running about among the clouds. [6.5.298 - 299] And "Jesus, son of Ananus...came to that feast whereon.. everyone makes tabernacles to God in the temple...and began on a sudden to cry aloud, "A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house." [6.5.300- 301] |
Origen acknowledges pagan prophesies
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In
the next place, miracles were performed
in all countries, or at least in many of them, as Celsus himself
admits, instancing the case of AEsculapius,
who conferred benefits on many, and who foretold
future events to entire cities, which were dedicated to him, such
as Tricca, and Epidaurus, and Cos, and Pergamus... |
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| Celsus mentions a multitude of Pagan oracles | Celsus
goes on to say of us: "They [Christians] set no value on the oracles
of the Pythian priestess, of
the priests of Dodona, of Clarus,
of Branchidae, of Jupiter
Ammon, and of a multitude of
others; although under their guidance we may say that colonies
were sent forth, and the whole world peopled. |
| Origen admits the oracles are real, but says: demons! | [the
Christian father Origen replies] |
| Maxentius told: this day an enemy of Rome will perish77 | 44.7
Discord arose in the city and the emperor
[Maxentius] was upbraided for abdicating responsibility…..
44.8 Disconcerted by this cry, he curried away and, summoning some senators,
he ordered the Sibylline books to be consulted. In them was found the
statement that on that day the enemy
of Rome would perish. |
Christianity
borrowed the Pagan notion of Sybelline Oracles![]() |
In
pagan times the oracles and predictions
ascribed to the sibyls were carefully collected and jealously
guarded in the temple of Jupiter Capitolinus, and were
consulted only in times of grave crises. Because of the vogue enjoyed
by these heathen oracles and because of the influence they had in shaping
the religious views of the period, the Hellenistic
Jews in Alexandria, during the second century B.C. composed
verses in the same form, attributing them to the sibyls, and circulated
them among the pagans as a means of diffusing Judaistic doctrines and
teaching. This custom was continued down into Christian times, and was
borrowed by some Christians
so that in the second or third century, a new class of oracles
emanating from Christian sources came into being. Hence the Sibylline
Oracles can be classed as Pagan, Jewish, or Christian. |
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Sibylline Oracles is the name given to certain collections of supposed prophecies, emanating from the sibyls or divinely inspired seeresses, which were widely circulated in antiquity In pagan times the oracles and predictions ascribed to the sibyls were carefully collected and jealously guarded in the temple of Jupiter Capitolinus, and were consulted only in times of grave crises. |
[29.10]…
Hannibal [general of the invading army] had gone
into winter quarters [in Italy]… [29.11] ... Accordingly, they decided to send a mission to him [ king Atalus, who controlled the Great Mother goddess (a meteor?)]......He then handed over to them the sacred stone which the natives declared to be "the Mother of the Gods," and bade them carry it to Rome. . . |
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[29.14]... Two suns were said to have been seen; there were intervals of daylight during the night; a meteor was seen to shoot from east to west; a gate at Tarracina and at Anagnia a gate and several portions of the wall were struck by lightning; in the temple of Juno Sospita at Lanuvium a crash followed by a dreadful roar was heard. To expiate these portents special intercessions were offered for a whole day, and in consequence of a shower of stones a nine days' solemnity of prayer and sacrifice was observed. |
P. Scipio was ordered to go to Ostia [Rome's port], accompanied by all the matrons, to meet the goddess... The matrons, each taking their turn in bearing the sacred image, carried the goddess into the temple of Victory on the Palatine. [Livy, History of Rome, 29.10 & 14 (1st century AD)] |
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